Copying the work of other engravers

[John B.]

Right on and well said, Mario.
Best wishes.

[sam]

Emotion indeed, Mario!

We can try to do something (like my letter to the company in Canada) but in reality there's not much that can be done other than to try to bring awareness to everyone.

Cheers / ~Sam

[ragi07]

forwards and backwards movement makes the engraving pen.???

[Arnaud Van Tilburgh]

Sorry to hear that Phil. I was so naive thinking this tread had a different purpose.
I must agree with Mario, besides a goldsmith engraver I’m also a publisher, especially on the Internet. I also know about being copied.

On my website, juwelenanraud, I show almost every design and jewel I made, knowing some will copy the best designs. On the other hand, if I don’t show my work on the Internet, I probably would be out of business.

About Copyright, I post a lot of my work on the Internet, and from the moment I publish them, it is part of proof that it is mine, whatever that means.

And sure it is a shame copying without permission, even when it means that one is good when he is copied.

But as we have here a big community of engravers, and one by one we can’t do much about being copied, wouldn’t it be a good idea pointing at “copiers” by telling their name? At least we are a guild, and I believe that is one of the goals of the guild.

Sam, when I see some photo or text of mine being used by someone else on the Internet, I just send them a invoice. Most of the time they react.

arnaud

[sam]

Originally Posted by Arnaud Van Tilburgh

Sam, when I see some photo or text of mine being used by someone else on the Internet, I just send them a invoice. Most of the time they react.

arnaud

Excellent idea, Arnaud!

[pilkguns]

An engineer freind of mine and I were talking about waiting at doctor's offices. He said he got tired of waiting one day after one hour and twenty minutes, and left, went back to the office, and wrote a bill for an hour of his time at $88 and sent it to the doctor's office. They paid it, and he said he has never waited more than 5 minutes since.

Actually, on Arnuad's idea, its probably very workable in the US corporate world. A big corporation is liable to pay it without realizing it was not on a PO, and if it was considered, a payment might be considered cheaper than asking their corporate lawyer about it.

[charles wu]

Dear Sam, Like your topic,
1.) Ask permission before tracing another engraver's work.
2.) Don't sell another engraver's designs.
For this topic, I'm all for that.

[jerrywh]

I can't imagine someone good enough to copy Phil Coggan or Ron Smith and then wanting to cheat that way. When you copy, you have created nothing. It is a cowards way to go unless your just trying to learn. Who can name the most famous copier in the world? nobody ,because it is the original that is always remembered. It's the artist not the mimic who is remembered.

[Arnaud Van Tilburgh]

Jerry, in Belgium we had a great cheater called Han Van Megeren who copied the work of Vermeer, and his work now is worth even more than the ones of Vermeer.
He not really copied the work, but the style. He signed the painting not with his name but with Vermeer.

Just to mention one

arnaud

[Daniel Houwer]

Hey, thats something like copying too Arnoud
He was Dutch
"Henricus Antonius van Meegeren (Deventer, 10 oktober 1889 – Amsterdam, 30 december 1947) was een Nederlands kunstschilder en kunstvervalser. Hij werd vooral bekend door zijn vervalsingen van werken van Vermeer."
(tekst Wikipedia)
Doesn't matter but I do think he is world famous because of his copies.